Berserk 22 Reaction

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  1. Bruh, Griffith didn’t rape the princess, also he so clearly is possessive of guts and loves him, so when guts left he felt broken and look for a way to feel better without thinking ahead due to being clouded by emotion which hasn’t happened to him before.

      1. It actually wasn’t. The princess loves him, which is why she sent maids to help them free Griffith. I don’t think they mention it in the show, but in the manga the king had incestuous feelings for his daughter, so he was furious when he found out Griffith was the one who took her purity.

        1. What griffith did to the princess was clearly wrong. Back in the medieval days, women who have feelings for a man are often taken advantage of by the person they like. Women during those times may have seen this as normal which is just horrible. They thought it was a part of love but it isn’t.

        2. What don’t you people understand? However she feels about him, if in the moment somebody does not consent to sex and you force yourself onto them it’s RAPE.

      2. It wasn’t “clearly” a rape. It was a bit forceful at the beginning but then it was consensual. Just look her reactions. The princess even helped the Hawks in this episode during Griffith’s rescue.

        1. “A bit forceful in the beginning” the hell is going on here? She was not given a choice! She said “no”, he forced himself onto her. That’s rape. However she feels about him is irrelevant. She’s 16 years old! What kind of morals do you have to think someone in love cannot be raped by the person they love?

          1. This is Charlotte the morning after having sex with Griffith. She doesn’t look like rape victim here.

            https://leomanga.org/manga/berserk/38/16

            You can tell by her reaction during and after the act that was consensual. Her “no” at the beginning was most likely about being afraid they were discovered… not because she didn’t want to have sex with him. Charlotte also loved her father but was completely horrified when he made advances on her…. nothing like her reactions when she was having sex with Griffith, so saying she acted like that because she was in love with Griffith makes no sense. A victim of rape wouldn’t be smiling thinking about his abuser the very next morning, regardless if she loved him or not,

          2. “She said no” and then she changed her mind immediately and consented with her actions.
            “She’s 16 years old!” So a full grown adult just like Griffith. Where is the problem?

    1. I think the arguments used by two of you guys actually go against what you’re trying to prove. First, the fact that Charlotte actually cares about Griffith makes his actions even more disgusting. He forced himself on a very young girl who was not ready to go that far and who trusted him. Then, mentioning the manga as if this is made any better there is ridiculous. This scene in the manga is clearly depicted as rape, while in the anime it’s left a LITTLE bit ambiguous. Also, what makes this even more terrible in the manga is that her father is also sexually preying upon her. The men she cares for in her life seem to not give a fuck about her aside from how they can use her to achieve their own needs.

      I rest my case.

      1. She just said “no” at the beginning… most likely precisely she was worried about what could happened if they were discovered. After that she was moaning and participating into a consensual act. In the manga Miura even showed Charlotte smiling when she woke up the next morning and found the lodestone she gave to Griffith before going to the war.

        https://inmanga.com/ver/manga/Berserk/38/8504679b-e30e-47c8-bd7e-8ed1a5eceed4

        It’s not about morals dummy. It’s just reading her reactions during the sex act and after that. It doesn’t matter if you are in love with someone. Nobody who feels raped would be smiling thinking about your abuser. She also loved her father… just look the difference about her reaction when he tried to rape her.

        1. “She doesn’t look like a rape victim?” I don’t even know where to begin with this! I honestly cannot believe this nonsense. We ALL know Charlotte is infatuated with Griffith. However she appears after the fact or prior, she said “no” and he forced himself onto her! She wasn’t given a choice! That’s rape! Full stop! It’s even dumber to make this asinine argument after knowing what happens to Casca despite how Casca feels about Griffith! Do you honestly think rape is simply about how one party “feels” about it afterwards?! What’s wrong with you?!

          1. Nah it clearly was consensual. She at first was opposed but changed her mind very quickly. Her initial reaction was out of societal pressure and expectations of her, not out of her not wanting him. She very much has wanted Griffith for a long time.

        1. 16 is the consenual age for most areas of Europe where the setting is more or less based, plus During the mediaeval era and the era of feudalism, in England the age of majority for males was 21 and for females 14 if married and 16 if single.

      1. Is it different to what we just saw? If not, it’s still rape if the person who loves you says no in the moment and you force yourself onto them.

        1. What really matters is how she felt during and after the act. It’s clearly depicted as consensual act where she was enjoying and grabbing Griffith’s hands. In the manga she was even smiling the morning after they had sex when she found the lodestone she gave to him in the pillows.

          https://inmanga.com/ver/manga/Berserk/38/8504679b-e30e-47c8-bd7e-8ed1a5eceed4

          That doesnt look like a rape victim. She most likely said “no” at the beginning because she was worried about what would happened if they were discovered not because she didn’t want to have sex with him.

          1. “She doesn’t look like a rape victim?” I don’t even know where to begin with this! I honestly cannot believe this nonsense. We ALL know Charlotte is infatuated with Griffith. However she appears after the fact or prior, she said “no” and he forced himself onto her! She wasn’t given a choice! That’s rape! Full stop! It’s even dumber to make this asinine argument after knowing what happens to Casca despite how Casca feels about Griffith! Do you honestly think rape is simply about how one party “feels” about it afterwards?! What’s wrong with you?!

        2. What idiocy. You can overreact all you want. It doesn’t change the fact Charlotte participated in a consensual sex act by her reactions during and after the act. Cry all you want. There are tons of rape scenes in the manga. If Miura wanted this to be seen as a rape scene he would left no ambiguity. Charlotte was afraid being discovered. How do you even compare Casca scenes to this?. I don’t even want to spoil but one is left scratched for life and the other is smiling the very next morning. Both of them loved the same person… so saying Charlotte was smiling just because he was in love with Griffith is stupid as hell. If you are raped by someone you love you would be in more anguish because you would feel betrayed… that the case with Casca..not the case with the princess.

          1. You can feel fine or still approve of a partner even if the act they did is rape. Charlotte might be happy she did it with Griffith but still can be raped by him. It isn’t a hard concept to understand that act, at that moment is rape, and moving forward is up to the characters to deal with it. Charlotte deals with it by looking at the whole thing fondly vs focusing on how he forced himself. Because she still wants him but what he did was crossing her boundary to initiate it. Getting mad at this interpretation by others and trying to vehemently defend this because others have a different view is obtuse. It is a well known trope used here by MCs “forcing” themselves on love interests who give in.

        3. The only reason Griffith got imprisoned was during those times, especially in royal circles, sleeping with someone before getting married was an unforgivable act, She was obviously hesitant, but the 1997 anime adaptation does a sub par job of everything and implies things that aren’t true, there was no love involved from Griffith clearly but Charlotte is actually a strong willed individual so if she truly did not consent you can bet that she would make sure it didn’t happen, I’d go into more details but it’s spoiler territory.

        1. It is incredibly clear in both versions that it was consensual. The scene really could not be any clearer that she initially refuses due to social pressure and expectations of her. Not because she doesn’t want Griffith, she does and this is very clear from everything we see during and after.

    1. It wasn’t “based on” Berserk, it has minor influences and references here and there but “based on” means it’s largely built around it. It isn’t, Dark Souls takes place in an entirely unique universe envisioned by Miyazaki.

  2. I feel like you mention a lot Griffith “hating” Guts, but it’s way more conflicted than that. He does mention “love” (perhaps not in a romantic way although that is up to debate), but there is an affection that you can’t overlook.

    1. Yes, Griffith loves Guts and it is for this reason that he holds a grudge against him. He most likely blames Guts for making him forget about his dream and illogically leading him to commit a reckless action (taking the princess by force). This reckless and emotionally-fueled action has led him to his downfall, as Zodd had told Guts would happen eventually. There is also jealousy involved as he sees both Guts and Casca loving each other DESPITE him.

      There’s definitely a lot of conflicted emotions inside Griffith.

  3. He definitely did not rape the princess, gonna have to agree with others explanations here who have actually read the manga, which gives more context. Her initial “stop it” is more like her trying to follow a proper lady’s etiquette, she should not be having premarital sex, doing so would be a huge scandal and a religious sin. Not that she does not want to have sex with Griffith, but rather that “my father the king does not want us to be doing this”. She is also just nervous because she is a virgin.
    We see in the manga that she has no issue with the sex at all, and is very happy in the morning.

    1. You understand that the Manga is irrelevant right? We are talking about the anime adaptation here, they could be COMPLETELY different for all I care it still doesnt matter. They are here watching this anime adaptation and can say whatever they want based on the context before them. When the fuck do you watch an anime, stop, go read a specific scene from the manga, then say you like something from the show. You all sound like some fucking idiots, and even if thats how you interpret the scene EVERYONE CAN VIEW SOMETHING DIFFERENTLY. I’m on the side of it being rape, saying no and then not being able to say anything is NOT giving consent, whether she likes him or not, it’s fucking disgusting that you even think that. A smile could just be a coping method, she could have even smiled BECAUSE he was gone you have no fucking idea. To blatantly state something using part of the manga even though they SPECIFICALLY changed it in this adaptation removes any validity your point might have had. Even if it ended up being something she accepted that doesnt change that when someone says “No, dont, stop it, no” it doesnt mean force yourself on them until they agree. You all disgust me, I expected more from this community

      1. It’s the same story. It was not rape in the anime either, clearly. You are misinterpreting the scene. Absolutely nothing in that anime episode indicated Griffith raped her. She at first said no but then consented with her actions, she did not resist and went along with it .
        “A smile could just be a coping method, she could have even smiled BECAUSE he was gone you have no fucking idea.” Most delusional thing I have ever heard anyone say about Berserk. No, se wakes up, immediately smiles while saying “Griffith!” then notices Griffith is gone and becomes sad. There is no ambiguity whatsoever. You are just wrong. Who cares if you are “disgusted” with people who are right.
        “state something using part of the manga even though they SPECIFICALLY changed it in this adaptation” No they didn’t, all the parts that are in here are directly from the manga.
        The more you post the more you embarrass yourself with these insane theories of yours. You’re being ridiculous.

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